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Tuesday, September 30, 2014
Ray Dalio
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Wednesday, September 24, 2014
True that
TPG's Bonderman says Modi euphoria makes Indian companies overvalued
Sunday, September 21, 2014
Feynman - Commencement Speech 1974
make it invalid — not only what you think is right about it; other causes that could
possibly explain your results; and things you thought of that you've eliminated by some
other experiment, and how they worked — to make sure the other fellow can tell they
have been eliminated.” – Richard Feynman, 19742
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Jack Ma - Man of the moment!
Monday, September 15, 2014
Seth Klarman Cautions Against The Complacency Bubble [feedly]
Seth Klarman: We are in a "Goldilocks stock market resulting from a tepid economy, dampened volatility, and relentlessly low interest rates"
In his quarterly letter to investors, Seth Klarman criticized the complacency that has seeped into the global markets. He said that investors have been seduced into a false feeling of calm. With stocks touching new highs, Klarman expressed his fear that the markets are marching straight in the direction of a crisis as this continued up-cycle sows the seeds for the next fall. Warning signs like consistently high inflation, strikingly low volatility and finally the revision of the U.S GDP to -2.9% in Q12014 seem to have gone unnoticed by the market. The letter said,
"Investors have clearly grown weary of worrying about risky scenarios that never seem to materialize or, when they do, don't seem to matter to anyone else.U.S. GDP, for example, was recently restated to minus 2.9% for the first quarter of 2014. Normally, this magnitude drop signals recession. Equities, nevertheless, marched relentlessly higher."
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The Goldilocks stock market
Klarman went on to note that two of the most popular types of investments these days indicate possible danger ahead. One investment is stacking up a portfolio with substandard credit, and the other is leveraging up the portfolio. He cautioned that we might be close to the point where the continued weakness in bond markets spills over into equities and breaks up the party. However, on the other hand, things could go on just as they are now:
"…Or perhaps things can go on forever exactly as they are: a "Goldilocks" stock market resulting from a tepid economy, dampened volatility, and relentlessly low interest rates. Amidst the market rally, complacent investors continue to ignore a growing array of global trouble spots. Contrary to claims from the Obama Administration, the world is not a tranquil place at present. As such, risks facing investors seem to be rising but are not yet priced into the markets."
Possibility of imminent collapse
Klarman was highly apprehensive of the way central banks are implementing the most aggressive kind of easing programs these days. The ECB is championing its unprecedented -.1% deposit rate. Even though bond yields in European countries are at multi-century lows, nobody seems to be concerned. African countries are making record bond issues, even those countries that have recently emerged from default. He said that the issuance of low-grade credit in U.S is also breaking a history in which yields have particularly bottomed out for junk and CCC-rated debt. Klarman said with the amount of risk in such portfolios; even a little instability can throw the markets in turmoil,
"Given changes in regulation, Wall Street has far less capital available to support the trading of this burgeoning junk issuance and the corresponding surge in debt ETFs. A sudden change in rates or sentiment could lead to serious market instability. When is harder to predict than if. While we are not predicting imminent collapse (market timing is not our thing), we are saying that a selloff, greater volatility, and investor losses would hardly be surprising from today's levels."
A bubble in complacency
Klarman believes that the fear of a slowdown appears to have gone out of investors' decision-making process. Klarman quoted John Mauldin to emphasize his point. He once described this scenario as "bubble in complacency." The letter talked about a few more causes for concern as well:
"Investors have become numb to risk because such policies continue, seemingly forever, and new measures (such as European and now even Chinese QE) are regularly threatened and claimed to be costless and reliably effective. We are far from convinced of this; indeed, the higher the level of valuations and the greater the level of complacency, the more there is to be concerned about. Even as reported inflation remains quite subdued, signs of incipient cost increases are increasingly evident. We are seeing them, for example, in apartment rents, construction costs, and salaries of newly minted engineering graduates and oilfield workers."
Klarman also explained how the wealth effect has lulled investors,
How would everything feel if the S&P 500 were suddenly cut by one-third or one-half? Would such a drop drive astonishing bargains, or would the U.S. economy soon falter, with festering problems such as unemployment, the federal, state and local deficits, the long-term fiscal situation, and the creditworthiness of most sovereigns suddenly seeming ominous? It's not hard to reach the conclusion that so many investors feel good not because things are good, but because investors have been seduced into feeling good—otherwise known as "the wealth effect."
Baupost, unlike other hedge funds, is not seeing as many opportunities for investment as risk-takers are, however, the fund is enjoying its fair share of disciplined buying and selling.
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Saturday, September 13, 2014
Munger on WSJ
Friday, September 12, 2014
Howard Marks Revisited
Jan 2008:
- “Don’t try to catch a falling knife.” That bit of purported wisdom is being heard a lot nowadays. Like other adages, it can be entirely appropriate in some instances, while in others it’s nothing but an excuse for failing to think independently. Yes, it can be dangerous to jump in after the first price decline. But it’s unprofessional to hang back and refuse to buy when asset prices have fallen greatly, just because it’s less scary to “wait for the dust to settle.” It’s not easy to tell the difference, but that’s our job. We’ve made a lot of money catching falling knives in the last two decades. Certainly we’ll never let that old saw deter us from taking action when our analysis tells us there are bargains to be had. - This in Jan 2008?
Feb 2008:
- Nothing substantial
- We will invest on the assumption that it will go on, that companies will make money, that they’ll have value, and that buying claims on them at low prices will work in the long run. What alternative is there? - Leap of Faith!!!
- Then I went on to create the converse of the above, the three stages of a bear market:
- the first, when just a few prudent investors recognize that, despite the prevailing bullishness, things won’t always be rosy,
- the second, when most investors recognize things are deteriorating, and
- the third, when everyone’s convinced things can only get worse.
- In the final stage, you can buy assets at prices that reflect little or no optimism.There can be no doubt that we are in the third stage with regard to many financial institutions. Not necessarily at the bottom, but in a serious period of unremitting pessimism. No one seems able to imagine how the current vicious circle will be interrupted. But I think we must assume it will be. It must be noted that, just like two years ago, people are accepting as true something that has never held true before. Then, it was the proposition that massively levered balance sheets had been rendered safe by the miracle of financial engineering. Today, it’s the non-viability of the essential financial sector and its greatest institutions. Everyone was happy to buy 18-24-36 months ago, when the horizon was cloudless and asset prices were sky-high. Now, with heretofore unimaginable risks on the table and priced in, it’s appropriate to sniff around for bargains: the babies that are being thrown out with the bath water. We’re on the case.
Jan 2009:
- Nothing substantial
March 2009:
- The only things we have to fall back on at this juncture are intrinsic value, company survival and our own staying power as investors. Of course, even these things mean we have to make judgments about what the future is likely to look like. That requirement, in turn, means nothing can be approached with complete safety or certainty. Nevertheless, we can take action if we think those three elements will be present under most circumstances. That’s the right mindset for today
- With price and value in reasonable balance, the course of security prices will largely be determined by future economic developments that defy prediction. Thus I find it hard to be highly opinionated at this juncture. Few things are compelling sells here, but I wouldn’t be a pedal-to-the-metal buyer either. On balance, I think better buying opportunities lie ahead.
- Nothing substantial
May 2010:
- The bottom line is this: the fact that we don’t know where trouble will come from shouldn’t allow us to feel comfortable in times when prices are full. The higher prices are relative to intrinsic value, the more we should allow for the unknown.Did not Invest or decreased investing
July 2011
- Nothing substantial - US debt ceiling
- Nobody waves a banner when assets have gotten cheap enough, but its incumbent on investors to recognise things like these and react appropriately, rather than follow the herd. Thus right now, I would be a better buyer, albeit in moderation since fundamentals still pose threats
- Nothing substantial
March 2012
- No particular stance
Howard Marks - "Today I feel its important to pay more attention to loss prevention than the pursuit of gain"
Sources of Investment risk or Permanent Loss are 1) investor's ability to ride out the volatility (excess focus on price) and 2) investing in a company with poor financials/dramatic change in competitive landscape etc.
while 1) is a behavioral aspect of investing 2) is closest to science and errors could be prevented with strong research process and sufficient checks and balances
JKG :) - "We have two classes of forecasters - those who don't know and those who don't know they don't know"
Future should be viewed as range of possibilities - In order to achieve alpha, investors should consistently bet on stocks with asymmetric profit outcomes i.e. lower downsides and higher upsides;
Economic decisions should be based on expected value; not sure about the relationship between return and risk - this is probably the perception of risk vs return and in this seems to be the holy grail of investing i.e. WB's perception of risk at a point in time could be spectacularly different from an above average investor's perception of risk; perhaps risk is just an opinion and cannot be combined at a macro level
Nice:
Risk of low returns vs Risk of FOMO; But between 1968 and 1973, many of the Nifty Fifty lost 80-90% of value - why?
"At Present I consider risk control more important than usual"
"The less prudence with which others are conducting their affairs, the greater prudence we should incorporate in our affairs"