How do you develop conviction for contrarian ideas? How do you perceive risk?
At Berkshire we have certain filters that have been developed. If in the course of a presentation or evaluation part of a proposal or of an idea hits a filter then there is no way I will invest. Charlie has similar filters. We don’t worry about a lot of things as we only have to be right about a certain number of things – things that are within our circle of competence.
Have you ever made money on someone else’s ideas? My preference is for my own ideas. I prefer to find good companies trading at fair prices. You can make money on cigarette butt investing but this works better with small amounts of money and was more effective years ago. You can’t build businesses out of cigar butts. I don’t read analyst reports and, although I get served up many ideas I don’t seek outside ideas. I stay within my circle of competence. Berkshire’s AUM means the universe of potential investments is smaller even though good, attractively priced ideas are often poorly covered. For instance, recently I did screening of the Korean market and found a few interesting opportunities. I used a 1950s (1951) Moody’s manual by sector. There was some good stuff in the back on page 1433. Western Insurance was a company that I looked at. It had an EPS of $29 and the high price was $13. Nobody showed me this. So I checked it out with insurance brokers and it checked out OK so I bought into the company. All in all, I prefer to read “raw” financial reports and talk to industry representatives.
With the rise of social media and constant information it seems students are losing the ability to sit down, think, and formulate their own thoughts like you have in the past. We prefer short bits of information to novels. Can you talk about whether you view this as a problem and the impact that deep and independent thought has had on your career? Answer #8: A good part of our success is that we spend a lot of time thinking. At Berkshire, we don’t have any meetings or committees, and I can think of no better way to become more intelligent than sit down and read. In fact, that’s what Charlie and I mostly do.
What are questions investors should ask but usually don’t when evaluating companies Answer #9: Start by looking at 7-8 companies in the industry and ask the management typical due diligence questions. Also, ask the management of each company which competitor they would be willing to put their net worth in for the next 10 years. Then ask which of their competitors they would short. This will provide important insights into the industry that even those who work their whole life in the industry would not realize.
Question #17: What are the things that you need to be able to value a business? Answer #17: In order to best understand a company, you first have to understand the industry. Only focus on companies and industries you understand. Don’t go outside your circle of competence. You need to know what the strengths of the company are in relation to the competition, if they have a good management team, and most importantly, what the moat is. If you don’t know how many competitors the company has, do not invest in the company. Coke’s moat is that it has no taste accumulation, and the moat of railroad companies are that no one can build anymore because of saturation. That is why I am currently invested in both industries
Charlie and I love to read biographies, and what we like to ask is “what makes these people succeed and what makes the ones that fail?” I use Sears as an example to show the ABCs of failure – Arrogance, Bureaucracy and Complacency. And Sears had them all. When you build an organization that has been incredibly successful, you have to work extremely hard to fight off arrogance, bureaucracy and complacency. One thing that Sam Walton and Mrs. B had in common is they had passion for the business. It isn’t about the money, at all. It was about winning. Passion counts enormously; you have to really be doing it because you love the results, rather than the money. When we buy businesses, we are looking for people that will not lose an ounce of passion for the business even after their business is sold. And getting in bed with people like that is what it’s all about.
What are some common traits of good investors? Answer#13: A firmly held philosophy and not subject to emotional flow. Good investors are data driven and enjoy the game. These are people doing what they love doing. It really is a game, a game they love. They are driven more by being right than making money, the money is a consequence of being right. Toughness is important. There is a lot of temptation to cave in or follow others but it is important to stick to your own convictions. I have seen so many smart people do dumb things because of what everyone else is doing. Finally good investors are forward looking and don’t dwell on either past successes or failures but rather
At Berkshire we have certain filters that have been developed. If in the course of a presentation or evaluation part of a proposal or of an idea hits a filter then there is no way I will invest. Charlie has similar filters. We don’t worry about a lot of things as we only have to be right about a certain number of things – things that are within our circle of competence.
Have you ever made money on someone else’s ideas? My preference is for my own ideas. I prefer to find good companies trading at fair prices. You can make money on cigarette butt investing but this works better with small amounts of money and was more effective years ago. You can’t build businesses out of cigar butts. I don’t read analyst reports and, although I get served up many ideas I don’t seek outside ideas. I stay within my circle of competence. Berkshire’s AUM means the universe of potential investments is smaller even though good, attractively priced ideas are often poorly covered. For instance, recently I did screening of the Korean market and found a few interesting opportunities. I used a 1950s (1951) Moody’s manual by sector. There was some good stuff in the back on page 1433. Western Insurance was a company that I looked at. It had an EPS of $29 and the high price was $13. Nobody showed me this. So I checked it out with insurance brokers and it checked out OK so I bought into the company. All in all, I prefer to read “raw” financial reports and talk to industry representatives.
With the rise of social media and constant information it seems students are losing the ability to sit down, think, and formulate their own thoughts like you have in the past. We prefer short bits of information to novels. Can you talk about whether you view this as a problem and the impact that deep and independent thought has had on your career? Answer #8: A good part of our success is that we spend a lot of time thinking. At Berkshire, we don’t have any meetings or committees, and I can think of no better way to become more intelligent than sit down and read. In fact, that’s what Charlie and I mostly do.
What are questions investors should ask but usually don’t when evaluating companies Answer #9: Start by looking at 7-8 companies in the industry and ask the management typical due diligence questions. Also, ask the management of each company which competitor they would be willing to put their net worth in for the next 10 years. Then ask which of their competitors they would short. This will provide important insights into the industry that even those who work their whole life in the industry would not realize.
Question #17: What are the things that you need to be able to value a business? Answer #17: In order to best understand a company, you first have to understand the industry. Only focus on companies and industries you understand. Don’t go outside your circle of competence. You need to know what the strengths of the company are in relation to the competition, if they have a good management team, and most importantly, what the moat is. If you don’t know how many competitors the company has, do not invest in the company. Coke’s moat is that it has no taste accumulation, and the moat of railroad companies are that no one can build anymore because of saturation. That is why I am currently invested in both industries
Charlie and I love to read biographies, and what we like to ask is “what makes these people succeed and what makes the ones that fail?” I use Sears as an example to show the ABCs of failure – Arrogance, Bureaucracy and Complacency. And Sears had them all. When you build an organization that has been incredibly successful, you have to work extremely hard to fight off arrogance, bureaucracy and complacency. One thing that Sam Walton and Mrs. B had in common is they had passion for the business. It isn’t about the money, at all. It was about winning. Passion counts enormously; you have to really be doing it because you love the results, rather than the money. When we buy businesses, we are looking for people that will not lose an ounce of passion for the business even after their business is sold. And getting in bed with people like that is what it’s all about.
What are some common traits of good investors? Answer#13: A firmly held philosophy and not subject to emotional flow. Good investors are data driven and enjoy the game. These are people doing what they love doing. It really is a game, a game they love. They are driven more by being right than making money, the money is a consequence of being right. Toughness is important. There is a lot of temptation to cave in or follow others but it is important to stick to your own convictions. I have seen so many smart people do dumb things because of what everyone else is doing. Finally good investors are forward looking and don’t dwell on either past successes or failures but rather
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